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Fire - Vegetation - Major  
 
Created: Mon 10/22 02:48 PM
Last Updated: Wed 10/31 02:46 PM
 
Address: (Interactive Map is centered at Running Springs)
City: Slide and Grass Fires, CA
Geocode
 
Description: Note: The alerts are updated when there is active scanner information and members of our alerts team are available to enter alerts. Sometimes we have no coverage to add updates to the alerts. Or, as with the fires, there is very little non-logistical scanner chatter since operations have become fairly scheduled and routine.
 
Fri 10/26 Source: other  From: via email - thank you      
Visit blog at www.ktlanewsblog.com (RS Transcriber note: thank you for sending this information!) 
 
San Bernardino County will finally 
release information tonight on which 
homes were destroyed by the two fires 
burning in the mountains.

A damage briefing will be held tonight 
(Friday 10/26) at 7pm at the Orange 
Show Fairgrounds, located on Arrowhead 
between Mills and Orange Show.

San Bernardino County spokesman David 
Wert says detailed maps of affected 
neighborhoods will be posted.  Grief 
counselors will be on hand to talk to 
people who will find out their homes 
are gone.

Wert says homeowners who cannot attend 
the meeting can call 211 after 7PM 
tonight to find out the status of their 
homes.  Out-of-town homeowners may dial 
888-435-7565 for information, again 
after 7 PM.
 
Fri 10/26 Source: other  From: ROTWUSD via email - thank you      
Fire Update - Friday, Oct. 26 All schools and facilities are currently fine! Employee Payroll: Direct Deposit: Direct Deposit payroll is on schedule and automatic deposits will occur as normal. Business Services will hold the paystubs for direct deposit employees. Hard Copy Checks: If we are still closed next week, Business Services will be dispersing hard copy checks, for those employees who do not have direct deposit, for the coming payroll period at the San Bernardino County Superintendent of Schools [SBCSS] - Roy C. Hill Building as follows: Oct. 31 from 9 a.m. to 12 p.m. = Classified Employees Nov. 1 from 9 a.m. to 12 p.m. = Certificated Employees Signs will be posted in the lobby to direct employees to the correct room to obtain their checks. The San Bernardino County Superintendent of Schools Building is located at: 601 North E Street, San Bernardino, 92410 Phone: 909-386-2784 School Blogs for communication during fire closures A blog has been created for each school. Staff and community members can post messages to communicate with each other during this time. Click on the name of the school to be directed to the specific school's blog. You will need to create an account in Blogspot using your email address. visit http://www.rimsd.k12.ca.us/ 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
173 and Hook - quite a bit of civilian traffic here 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
173 and 3N33 area check 
Fri 10/26 Source: other  From: Website      
Grass Valley Fire - Estimated Containment Date 10/28/2007 (per Inciweb) 
Fri 10/26 Source: other  From: Website      
from inciweb at approx 11:30 re: Miller Canyon: "Good progress was made on line construction and burning out in the Miller Canyon drainage." 
Fri 10/26 Source: other  From: via email - thank you      
Just wanted to let you know I phoned 911 from east end of lake silverwood, pretty serious front maybe half mile long on east end of miller canyon. An airplane flew over a few minutes later in that direction. Let's not go to sleep, Miller canyon could sucker punch cpp and voe, depending on the winds. Also confirmation, left cpp this am, no problem with getting a pass, went to Victorville, and returned. But ID must have street address, no po box. That is what the sheriff said, anyway. (*RS Transcriber note: we're not asleep, very little sleep since this started actually. We definitely appreciate the emails we are receiving that provide valuable information. Keep up the good work!) 
Fri 10/26 Source: other  From: Website - KBHR933.com      
NOON UPDATE http://www.kbhr933.com/bigbearnews.php Fire Crews Concentrated Near Snow Valley; Big Bear Events and Closures -- Update as of Noon The updated reports on the Slide and Grass Valley Fires, as of this morning, is that they have achieved improved containment on both fires. Over 2,100 firefighters are at work on both blazes, and the Slide Fire is now at 15% containment on the 13, 378 acre blaze. The Grass Valley Fire is now at 70% containment over 1,100 acres, with an updated structure loss count of 160. Firefighting crews have concentrated efforts on the 13 Turns section of Highway 18, both day and night, to ensure that the Slide Fire does not cross the highway between Snow Valley Ski Area and Green Valley Lake Road. John Miller of the U.S. Forest Service spoke to us directly from this area this morning, and reports that this is a ground fire, and most trees along the roadway due remain intact. However, the fire did reach the roadway, from about a ¼ mile west of the top of 13 Turns and down to near the Green Vally turnoff. Still, Miller tells KBHR, “There are a ton of crews there, putting out hot spots.” That said, he reassures us, “The threat to Big Bear is minimal.” There is one hot spot that is reportedly visible from the Highway 38 area, and this is directly north of Snow Valley along the ridgeline. The fire, Miller notes, “is in the timber and that's what's creating all the smoke. It is one concentrated area. Crews are there, and there is aircraft working it as well.” Given today's blue skies in the Big Bear Valley, we will see columns of smoke but again, Miller says, “The threat to Big Bear is low.”  
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
Diverting a third tanker to the Santiago fire; South Ops would also like to have anything else on hold (to respond to Santiago.) 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
South ops is looking for anything we can divert. 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
34269 Inspiration (Running Springs) Security Check 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
Tankers on hold; I think we have three more loads of work and I think we're done with them. 
Fri 10/26 Source: other  From: Website      
Inciweb Noon - Slide: The fire has the potential to move to the north towards the Pacific Crest Trail and south in the Fredalba Creek area. Containment Target Anticipate success with a perimeter control strategy as critical resources begin to arrive.  
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
If you guys can avoid flying directly over Mesa (Division M?) I'd appreciate it. 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
It's looking pretty good except for that one spot (to the east). Tankers may be put on hold. 2 tankers diverted to Santiago fire. Reloads have to be at Fox as we have a Bonanza (aircraft) blocking the runway that blew a tire. 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
I'm not sure what that spot is over there to the east, but I'm thinking we can put some of these tankers on hold now. (Two tankers are being diverted to the Santiago fire.) 
Fri 10/26 Source: other  From: Big Bear MWD      
Press Release from Big Bear Municipal Water District: For Immediate Release October 26, 2007 11:45 AM Big Bear Lake Closure – Effective 11:30 AM this morning the Super Scooper has been released from operations on Big Bear Lake. The lake is now open for all lake activities. The Big Bear Municipal Water District appreciates everyone’s understanding and cooperation during the closure. The District and the rest of the valley consider it a privilege to have been of some assistance to our neighbors who have suffered and continue to suffer from the wildfires.  
Fri 10/26 Source: eyewitness  From: RS via email - Thank you       
Running Springs:

My connection just drove through the following:

Mountain Oak & Glen Oak - VERY clean, 
no damage!  Not even ground fire damage observed!

Panorama Drive - Looked clean from the 
18.  Will be doing a drive through 
Panorama shortly.

Drove across the rim as far as Snow 
Valley and NO visible flames.
 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner  From: Dispatch 151.4450      
*moment of silence* 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
"Be advised that the area is at risk. He (an official posing as a civilian?) was able to get around all the road blocks and get into the mandatory evac areas. He said there have been over 200 homes broken into." 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
*Now join together in a moment of silence.* (gave names of firefighters) 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
*Moment of silence* 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
*Moment of silence* 
Fri 10/26 Source: other  From: Forest Lawn Scout Reservation      
http://www.boyscoutsla.org/website/home_page/FLSR_fire/updates.htm 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
Note: The Mail Pickup site at 195 Del Rosa Avenue, San Bernardino, CA on the former Norton Air Force Base will be open on Saturday from 10am to 4pm. 
Fri 10/26 Source: other       
Note: At noon today all firefighters on the lines will be pausing for a moment of silence to honor the memory of the five firefighters from BDF Engine 57 who were killed fighting the Esparanza fire one year ago today. Those firefighters were: Fire Captain Mark Loutzenhiser; Engineers Jason McKay and Jess McLean; Firefighters Daniel Hoover-Najera and Pablo Cerda. The men were killed when overrun by fire while doing structure protection in the community of Twin Pines, near Cabazon.  
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
H510 is available at the helibase so far. 534 is on Heaps Peak. 554 is on a cargo mission in Div G. 263 was in Div H (another in Div H) 725 is in Div V and a Helco 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
Checking an individual in the Lk. Arrhd Village area, black pants and shirt, over by the Animal Control set-up. 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
Helicopter 769 is working his way in and out as needed; making his passes 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
"There isn't much going on - we got one little burn-out, if you fly over I think you'll see that." 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
Be advised an individual came into the Starbucks with matches and gasoline. He has been arrested and is at the Sheriffs Substation. 
Fri 10/26 Source: other  From: via email - thank you      
Tankers are coming again, notify San Bernardino base. They will get the retardant line laid down. They had shut down because of too many helicopters in the flight path. One helio will be allowed to stay for dozer support. 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
Pulling one copter off that dozer line and sending it to a spot fire in Division Y.  
Fri 10/26 Source: other  From: ROTW Photo Gallery      
**Warning - this shows both saved and burned areas - specific homes and streets.** Grass & Slide Fire Home Survey http://tinyurl.com/2tqt3g  
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
"The dozers are fine in there, but I'd sure like to get this retardant line put in. I'd really like to stay ahead of it." 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
Transcriber note: There is very little scanner traffic except coordination of Air Attack and they are not giving geographic locations of where they are working, for reference. 
Fri 10/26 Source: eyewitness  From: Blue Jay-via email   To: thank you    
still in Blue Jay,smoke only when a marine layer comes down the aqua fira canyon. power back on in the upper bear little track for now. we are behind Jensens market 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
Requesting two helicopters to work Division Victor, over in the Crab Flats area where there are houses. 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
"The Super Scooper has turned back toward Fox (airfield)." (BB Transcriber note - unsure if this is for fueling or being taken off incident.) (RS Transcriber note - heard "released".) 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner  From: MCH- via email   To: Thank you     
Mountains Community Hospital has 
reopened the Emergency Department for 
services to the Community and to the 
Disaster Personnel on the mountain.  We 
are available 24/7 in that area.  We 
have the ED staffed with an ED 
Physician and Nurse.   We have 
diagnostic services available to 
support the ED.  We are not open for In 
patient Services at this time, but are 
in contact with the EOC and plan to 
reopen that area as soon as we get 
approval.  Please do not hesitate to 
call or come to the ED if you have any 
concerns:

Hospital #:  909- 336-3651
29101 Hospital Road, Lake Arrowhead
 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
Air attack: Helicopter 715, we're going to send you back over to the Grass fire, Division Zulu. (AA giving helicopter directions to the Grass incident; unfamiliar after having worked the Slide incident yesterday.) 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner  From: Crestline-via email   To: Thank you    
There will be a town hall meeting at the San Moritz Lodge adjacent to Lake Gregory starting at 2 P.M. this Saturday (Tomorrow). This will includes representitives from Crest Forest Fire, San Bernardino County Sheriff, and other agencies.  
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
vehicle check Hilltop at Panorama Drive (Running Springs) Response: Vehicle does come back registered to a female at that 20 (address). 
Fri 10/26 Source: other  From: Crestline Chamber website      
FIRE UPDATE 10-26-07 8:31 A.M. CRESTLINE IS NOW OPEN TO RESIDENTS!!! Our community is now under a status of Voluntary Evacuation which will allow residents to return with a pass issued by the San Bernardino County Sheriffs Department. This may be obtained at Wildwood Park on Waterman (Hwy 18) in San Bernardino. There will be no access to Lake Arrowhead or Running Springs communities until further notice. TOWN HALL MEETING We are scheduling a town hall meeting for tomorrow afternoon. We will be updating the website in a few minutes with details. We are building a collection of photos (videos coming soon) related to the Grass Fire including photos. Send your photos to info@crestlinechamber.net For updated information minute to minute please go to the Rimoftheworld.net website at http://www.rimoftheworld.net or call the National Forest Service Hotline at (909)383-5688  
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
Ground to air: You're going to see a drainage that runs right into town there, we've got some hot spot work in there for the heavies (helicopters). 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
Discussion of a new hot spot (did not state location), "If we can get the Scooper on that we can knock it out in no time." 
Fri 10/26 Source: other  From: via email   To: thank you    
They are planning an all out priority on the Boy Scout Camp this morning with tankers dropping water and retardant. This will be a big help for the Arrowhead area. Tanker pilot talking to MSNBC helio asked them to tell everyone they were using the tankers. They said that CNN really trashed the tankers last night saying they were not being used.  
Fri 10/26 Source: other  From: Crab Flats - via email   To: thank you    
Some of the residences in theTrails End portion of Crab Flats have burned. I have confirmation that at least 5 are standing but there are probably more. Fire teams with air support are on the scene as of yesterday.  
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
Air ops discussing separation of frequencies for fixed wing versus rotary wing, air tactics will remain on 131.575 for now. 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
Air Attack: We haven't been to this fire or this area, what's out best dip site? 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
Ground to air: I need you to get in there and take a look at the area of the Boy Scout camp - when you get over it give me a call. ("That's a new smoke out there.") 
Fri 10/26 Source: other  From: Website - KBHR933.com      
9 a.m. update http://www.kbhr933.com/bigbearnews.php Good News: Slide Fire 15% Contained, Grass Valley Fire 70% Contained -- We have good news to report from Incident Command on the Grass Valley and Slide Fire, both of which started Monday morning. The Grass Valley Fire, which has burned northwest of the Lake Arrowhead area, is now at 70% containment, as of Thursday night. Reports from the U.S. Forest Service tell us that 780 firefighters continue to make good progress on line construction in the Miller Canyon drainage, as well as mop up in the northern and eastern flanks of the fire. Damage assessment teams were able to enter the area, reporting no additional structures, beyond the earlier assessment of 100 plus structures, have burned. Details are said to be released soon. Large scale evacuations and road closures remain in effect surrounding the entire perimeter of the burn area. Firefighting crews, under the direction of Type I and Type II national incident management teams have managed to keep the burn area on the Grass Valley Fire to 1,100 acres. On the Slide Fire, centered in the Green Valley Lake and Running Springs area, is now at 15% containment, up from yesterday morning's zero percent. At present, official reports indicate that 11,675 acres have burned, and the fire is burning in southwest direction. Over 1,300 personnel are assigned specifically to the Slide Fire and crews report a moderate fire intensity surface fire, backing, occasional torching and short-range spotting. Additional structures were reported lost, with structure protection continuing along Highway 18 and Green Valley. Damage assessment teams are starting to work in the area to provided details on structures destroyed. Incident Command reports that specifics on structures destroyed will be verified and details released soon, though the present count remains at 200 plus at this time. Fire perimeter containment efforts on the Slide Fire are slow due to rough terrain, heavy vegetation and high density residential properties intermixed with bug-killed timber. Mandatory evacuations remain in place for all communities from west of Big Bear Lake to east of Crestline. Incident Command stresses that Big Bear is not an evacuation area, and that evacuation and road specifics are “seriously re-evaluated by fire managers on a daily basis.” Big Bear Lake will remain closed to boating activity today, per a directive from the Municipal Water District. Today's closure of the lake will allow for safe water pulls for aircraft using lake water for fire suppression. Scott Heule, General Manager of the MWD says, “We totally appreciate the cooperation we've received from boaters.” Due to the smoke and resulting poor air quality, the Bear Valley Unified School District has canceled school for today, and this closure will apply to all extra-curricular activities, including this evening's Big Bear High School performance at the PAC. Rainbow Kids Club will be open today, despite the school closure, though parents of Rainbow Kids are reminded that only the Big Bear Elementary School site will be open. The highways at the east end of the Valley remain open to all traffic, and the California Highway Patrol confirms that there are no checkpoints to enter Big Bear from Highway 38 or Highway 18 from Lucerne Valley.  
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
Air Attack 15: Visbility right now is less than it was a minute ago, maybe 3 miles, but we're ready to load if you want us to. "They (Big Bear?) have a tower there now, (freq is) 122.975 if this will be any help to the tankers." 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
Air ops: Pilots are advising they are enroute to the Slide incident but may have to abort if the smoke gets too bad, they will advise. (Air Attack 15 was reporting 4 miles visibility from San Bernardino tanker base, but this will change over the fire.) 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
Advise air attack that it's a little shrouded in smoke out here, it's VFR (visual flight rated) but it's kinda smokey. 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
Slide air attack: Have four tankers enroute to (lat and long) 34.190 x 117.01; "Will this be the Slide side or the Grass side?" "It will be the slide side." 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
Slide air attack, just checking to see if you're ready for the tankers. (Response: Affirm, just a couple more minutes here, just a couple more minutes.) 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
Directing out-of-area hand crews to Lakeview Point and up into the area above the Arctic Circle. 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
(Note to Bear Valley residents: There will be a sheriff's helicopter working the Sugarloaf area on a missing person search; it has nothing to do with fire activity.) 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
Suspicious vehicle: Black Chevy Silverado pickup, license 8J06298, last seen heading into downtown Running Springs from Hwy18/Wilderness; units enroute to check him out. (Unit now has him detained at the Calvalry Chapel; individual is with BLM and looking for a location to park a fire truck, Code 4.) 
Fri 10/26 Source: observation       
Transcriber observation: Police and fire units are running numerous license plates in the evacuation areas this morning; it appears they are checking most anyone out and about; so far all have been 'Code 4' (okay). 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
Air to ground discussion about the Crab Flats area; want to start out working the east and then the south flank. 
Fri 10/26 Source: scanner       
(Units responded to a smoke check in the Baldwin Lake area (Big Bear) and are reporting there is a heavy concentration of drift smoke from the Slide/Grass in the area, there is NO fire in Baldwin Lake.) 
Fri 10/26 Source: other  From: KTLA news      
CRESTLINE RESIDENTS MAY RETURN: KTLA news is reporting that residents with proof of residence address will be allowed to return to Crestline after 9:00 this morning. Residents will need a photo ID and proof of street address via driver's license, utility or tax bill, and will be issued a Re-entry pass. To obtain a re-entry pass, residents should go to the checkpoints set up on 40th @ Waterman in San Bernardino, or Hwy 138 at Lake Silverwood. THIS IS FOR CRESTLINE RESIDENTS ONLY. 
Fri 10/26 Source: other       
(Transcriber note: There is very little scanner traffic this a.m. - most communication involves reviewing staffing for the day at various stations.) 
Fri 10/26 Source: other  From: SCGACC      
Remarks on Grass fire from USFS situation report 6 p.m. 10/26: Significant Events: Evacuation and road closure orders remain in effect for a large area surrounding the Grass Valley and Slide Fires. Damage assessment teams are working in the Grass Valley Fire area. Good progress was made on line construction and burning out in the Miller Canyon drainage on Divisions Y and Z. Remarks: Crews continue to make good progress on line construction in the Miller Canyon drainage as well as mop up in Divisions A and Z. IR was flown today. Damage assessment teams continue their work. We are working with cooperating agencies and utilities on planning for re-entry into the mandatory evacuation area. Observed Fire Behavior: Isolated interior tree torching. Backing, creeping and smoldering. Planned Actions: Complete line construction, burn out and hold on Divisions Y and Z in the Miller Canyon drainage on the fires western flank. Mop up and patrol in Division A on the fires eastern flank.  
Fri 10/26 Source: other  From: SCGACC      
Remarks on Slide fire from USFS situation report as of 6p.m. 10/25: Significant Events: Established fireline in portions Divisions F, G & H. Remarks: Several meetings today: Re-entry planning with coooperators, FS Chief visit, and cost apportionment. Slide ICP moved to Snow Valley Ski Area. Observed Fire Behavior: Moderate intensity surface fire, backing, occasional torching, short range spotting. Planned Actions: Continue structure protection, mop and patrol around structures, establishing perimeter control.  
Fri 10/26 Source: other  From: WLF website      
Wildlandfire.com is reporting that containment on the Grass fire is anticipated for 10/28. (Transcriber note: I cannot confirm this prediction on official sites or sources.) 
Fri 10/26 Source: other  From: NBC news      
NBC is reporting that all firefighters on the lines will be pausing for a moment of silence today at noon to honor the memory of the five firefighters from BDF Engine 57 who were killed fighting the Esparanza fire one year ago today. Those firefighters were: Fire Captain Mark Loutzenhiser; Engineers Jason McKay and Jess McLean; Firefighters Daniel Hoover-Najera and Pablo Cerda. The men were killed when overrun by fire while doing structure protection in the community of Twin Pines. 
Fri 10/26 Source: other       
(BB Transcriber online) 
Thu 10/25 Source: other       
{Scanners are quiet. RS Transcriber off line.} 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: Website       
.TONIGHT...
SKY/WEATHER.........CLEAR. AREAS OF SMOKE. 
MIN TEMPERATURE.....39 TO 49. 
MAX HUMIDITY........35 TO 45 PERCENT ON DESERT SLOPES TO 40 TO 50 
                    PERCENT ON COASTAL SLOPES. 
WIND (20 FT)........ 
   SLOPES...........WINDS WEST 10 MPH. 
   RIDGETOP.........WINDS WEST 10 MPH IN THE EVENING BECOMING 
                    VARIABLE 3 TO 6 MPH. 
LAL.................1. 

.FRIDAY...
SKY/WEATHER.........MOSTLY SUNNY. AREAS OF SMOKE. 
MAX TEMPERATURE.....72 TO 82. 
MIN HUMIDITY........10 TO 15 PERCENT. 
WIND (20 FT)........ 
   SLOPES...........WINDS SOUTH 10 MPH. 
   RIDGETOP.........VARIABLE 3 TO 6 MPH BECOMING SOUTH 10 MPH IN 
                    THE AFTERNOON. 
LAL.................1.
 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: Website      
830 PM PDT THU OCT 25 2007 .DISCUSSION... NO PRECIPITATION IS EXPECTED FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT 10 DAYS. FAIR WITH WEAKER WINDS THROUGH EARLY NEXT WEEK. TEMPERATURES WILL GRADUALLY COOL THROUGH SATURDAY...WARM SUNDAY THROUGH EARLY NEXT WEEK...THEN COOL AGAIN THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK. HUMIDITIES WILL SLOWLY INCREASE THROUGH SATURDAY...DECREASE SLIGHTLY SUNDAY THROUGH EARLY NEXT WEEK...THEN INCREASE AGAIN THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK THERE WILL ERRATIC WINDS AND LOCAL EFFECTS NEAR THE WILDFIRES. FIRE CREWS WILL NEED TO STAY ALERT TO POSSIBLE WIND REVERSALS AND ERRATIC CONDITIONS.  
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
"I'm here in Running Springs and I have nicotine, hot coffee, hot chocolate, creamer, we're ready to rock" 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
county roads - we are done already in hook creek- we are going to be staging at the post office untill you need us, ok clear 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: ROTW Google Group      
(Lots of posts - 4pm Thursday: Confirmed houses that are still standing and ones that have been destroyed... Copy and paste the following link: http://tinyurl.com/3cuvq3 {RS Transcriber Personal Note: The 7:44 PM post is well worth reading - specifically the last paragraph.} 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: via ROTW Google Group      
{*Warning - video shows both burned as well as those not burned} - Lake Arrowhead - "New Video of fire devestation in grass valley w/ saved homes on san benito ln" http://www.metacafe.com/watch/886517/fire_devastation_in_lake_arrowhead_california/ 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
right at the corner of Chicago and Encina {RS} that tree was dropped; all the {power} lines are dead 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: Website      
{Terminology: Containment/Control A fire is contained when it is surrounded on all sides by some kind of boundary but is still burning and has the potential to jump a boundary line. The boundary may be a “fire line” which is a strip of area where the vegetation has been removed to deny the fire fuel, or a river, a freeway or some other barrier which is expected to stop the fire. Hose lines from fire engines may also contribute to a fire being surrounded and contained. A fire is controlled when there is no further threat of it jumping a containment line. While crews continue to do mop-up work within the fire lines, the fire fight is over.} 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
26400 Augusta in Lake Arrowhead - security check 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
Station 51 Bay Doors are open; should we close the bay doors? No, our engines will be traveling back and forth all night long. 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
we were patrolling at 3112 Bluebird (off Pine Cone - Running Springs) and there are spot fires northwest of the residence. There's a fire truck out here - we just spoke to them. 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
We've walked Deep Creek from Palo Alto all the way over; it's pretty much cold all the way. 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
Let someone through and he's on his way towards you (I'm at 18 and Live Oak). He's in a White Jeep Commander - claiming he's working for the fire; he has a Nevada driver's license and Texas plates. Need to determine who he's attached to or if he's a looky loo. They saw him at the 173/18 and he's heading towards Running Springs. White Jeep Commander - I'm at 18 at Live Oak I'll keep an eye out for him. 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: Website      
Inciweb 8:30 update: Grass fire: Fire Behavior Isolated interior tree torching. Backing, creeping and smoldering. Complete line construction, burn out and hold in the Miller Canyon drainage on the fires western flank. Mop up and patrol on the fires eastern flank. There is no anticipated incident movement, or perimeter growth during this operational period. Containment Target Given adequate resources and favorable weather conditions, the chosen strategy is likely to succeed. 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
we're up here on Deep Creek by the burned down houses; we have gas leaks 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
reports of subjects looting the store at Round Table Pizza (Forest Shade, Crestline); there is nobody around here and the store is locked up tight  
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
31#49 Panorama Drive - Security Check {sorry - someone talked over him when he said that middle number} 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
Passes are only for VOE and CPP; we are not allowing anyone into Crestline yet. Go to the hard closure points and make friends and let them know that we are not letting people into Crestline. We will be yanking those passes and telling them to go back down. Affirm, I will go make friends. 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
Edison Station - Palo Alto and Whispering Pines - medical aid; laceration to leg 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
We caught him for you Capt {}; we'll bring him back for you. 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
We picked up this 20 year old gang banger here hiding in the bushes; are you guys hanging on to them over there or what are we doing with them? Hang on to him and we'll take care of him. 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
the fire is at {} Big Horn northern east northerly slope; talked to crews, they know about it; as I was driving down Hook Creek I saw a string of trucks are heading out Hook Creek hopefully to put out the spot fires 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
Hook Road and Pine Ridge; suspicious vehicle; Jeep {} driving erratically 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
Calgary at North Bay; checking residence, open garage door 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
pretty tall snag at the corner of Chicago and ?; be careful going around it; it's burned out in the middle and leaning and could go down at any time 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
We're up here with Edison just checking it out. Poles are down we're going to have to walk in. 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
patrol is going to stay on Deep Creek in this bottom area where it's all burned out 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
security check 31449 Overhill Drive - Running Springs 
Thu 10/25 Source: other       
STATUS OF FIRES

Grass Valley Fire 
Location:  NW of Lake Arrowhead, and theTwin Peaks area   
Acres Burned: 1,100 
Direction of Fire: Southwest 
Containment: 70 % 
Structures Threatened:         6,000  
Fire Started: 10/22/07 (Mon) 5:08 AM 
Structures Destroyed: Est. 100+ ** 
Cause: Under Investigation      
Resources: Hand Crews: 23 Engines:  72   
  Helicopters: 2 (both fires) * Water Tenders: 6   
    Dozers: 3   
Total personnel assigned to Grass Valley fire:   780
Current Fire Situation, Grass Valley Fire: Firefighters continue to make good progress on line construction in the Miller Canyon drainage as well as mop up in the northern and eastern flanks of the fire. Damage assessment teams were able to enter the area yesterday, reporting no additional structures burned, details to be released soon. Large scale evacuations and road closures remain in effect surrounding the entire perimeter of the fire area. 

Slide Fire 
Location:  Green Valley Lake, near Running Springs 
Acres Burned: 11,675 
Direction of Fire: Southwest 
Containment: 15% 
Structures Threatened:   10,000 
Fire Started: 10/22/07 (Mon) 8:02 AM 
Structures Destroyed: Est. 200+ ** 
Cause: Under Investigation      
Resources: Hand Crews: 23 Engines: 213   
  Helicopters: (shared) * Water Tenders: 35   
    Dozers: 6   
Total personnel assigned to Slide fire:             1,359
Current Fire Situation, Slide Fire: Firefighters report moderate fire intensity surface fire, backing, occasional torching, and short-range spotting. Additional structures were reported lost yesterday, with structure protection continuing along Highway 18 and Green Valley. Damage assessment teams are starting to work in the area to provide details on structures destroyed, with dangerous access due to continued fire activity. ** Specifics on structures destroyed will be verified and details to be released soon. Fire perimeter containment efforts slow due to rough terrain, heavy vegetation and high density residential properties intermixed with bug killed timber.
Evacuations & Road Closures: Mandatory Evacuations remain in effect for all communities from west of Big Bear Lake to east of Crestline. Voluntary Evacuations are in effect for Cedar Pines Park, and Valley of Enchantment, with residents allowed access with proof of residency. (Slide Fire: voluntary evacuations are in place for North Highland from East Highland to Weaver Street, and previous the Butler Fire area.) The Big Bear area is NOT an evacuation area. All evacuations and road closures are carefully placed for public and firefighter safety, and are seriously re-evaluated by fire managers on a daily basis. Residents will be updated frequently.
All roadways leading into the San Bernardino Mountains are still closed to up-bound, non-emergency traffic, including Highway 18 west of Big Bear Dam, Hwy 330, Hwy 138 at Hwy 173 and Hwy 18 at Waterman Ave. Hwy 38 and the backside of Hwy 18 from Lucerne Valley are the open access points. Forest Closure Orders continue to be in effect.
Evacuation Centers: National Orange Show Fair Grounds in the City of San Bernardino (enter through Gate 9) and Victorville Fair Grounds. Animal Evacuations: San Bernardino County Humane Society in the City of San Bernardino. Livestock are being accepted at the Rodeo Grounds at Glen Helen Regional Park in Devore
Agencies Involved: Unified Command with cooperators and partners including US Forest Service, San Bernardino County Fire and Sheriff Departments, CAL FIRE, CA CHP, CalTrans, CA-OES, Running Springs FD, and Crest Forest FPD.  
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
the fire is in the Big Horn end of the Scout Camp (discussion about Crab Creek area) 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
Day ops did some burning today and we're going to have to do some more (Grass Valley) 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
40K (SO Helicopter) "It's looking pretty good; it's laying down on the ridges; we're good to go tonight." 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
40K - It's at the far east end of the Scout Camp and from there it's through Crab Creek; 1/2 mile to 3/4 mile; I don't think you need to come out here right now; very slow movement on it 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
we didn't find anything on Dart Canyon, but we do see something at the edge of the Grass Valley burn; it's a burning operation; ok we're going to cancel our response then  
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner  From: Dispatch 171.4750      
Units are in the area checking, so far are unable to locate; reduce to code 2 and stage at Dart Canyon and Orchard 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
hold all incoming at Dart Canyon and Orchard 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner    To: To Dispatch 151.4450    
units are in the area checking 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
per night ops they're going to be doing a firing operation; that may be what they're seeing 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner  From: Dispatch 171.4750   To: Units in Sta 11 14 13    
535 Dart Canyon Road cross of Ranch Road map page 577B1 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner  From: Dispatch   To: 24 28 ME26    
vegetation fire 535 Dart Canyon Road map C479 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner  From: Dispatch   To: 3203    
start a response just to be sure 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
flare up 535 Dart Canyon Road 
Thu 10/25 Source: eyewitness  From: RS via email - thank you      
2ND hand account but very reliable. Houses in and around Leprachaun and Allview all standing with no damage. Nordic tract in and around Scandia all standing and no damage.  
Thu 10/25 Source: eyewitness  From: RS via email - thanks      
Thu, 25 Oct 2007 1:09 pm - Eyewitness this morning and she said All View was fine. The area that I spoke of last night where the is a burn is at the lower east/west turn but no homes are gone. The thing is that the trees and vegetation are burned right up to your porches and it looks like some hard work was put in saving the area. She expected it all to be worse than it is. Of course Smiley park looks awful and the area on Wilderness and Wagon Wheel. But even with all the burning at wagon Wheel most or all of the homes are there. The looting is a problem this time. CHP everywhere and arresting people often what she says. Just amazing. The electric is out and she was told stay put where you are for two weeks. Power poles are gone, gas lines have to be taken care of and they don't want people up there yet. Here is a list of specific addresses I gave her last night that she said were OK. 

Mountain Oak 
a very short street that intersects All 
View just two blocks South of Rim Of 
The World and to the west 

Valley Oak Drive (after Mountain Oak)
the street that is right before the 
right turn of All View where your 
husband said was burned
30995
31149 
31168

ALL VIEW Addresses - sorry it's so long 
most of these are south of 18
30823
30883
30902
30958
30966
31051
31116
31121
31123
31129

31130-40 unknown address
31137
31153
31157
31164
31165
31176
31196
 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: inciweb update       
Slide Wildland Fire 10% 11,366 45 min. ago 

Grass Valley Wildland Fire 40% 1,100 3 hrs. ago
 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
Running Springs water shed down on Willow - at first I thought it was chlorine, but it turned out to be nitrogen 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
we've got a gas leak here at Camp Helendade (Wilderness Rd in Running Springs) 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
at the boy scout camp (Camp Helendade) - it looks like it is backing into here, I think if we get some hoselay in here we can do something about it. 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
yes, available; ok go ahead and send them out and have them go to the Ski dip and working Div H 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
do you have another heavy available? {no response} 
Thu 10/25 Source: other       
fire map for download http://webpages.charter.net/pollinh/ 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
helitanker working over the 330 
Thu 10/25 Source: eyewitness  From: VOE/CPP-via email-thanks      
I went to get a pass and as long as things dont change for these areas they are issuing passes to come and go on the backside 138 as much as you wish. Mine is good till DEC. There is no longer a time limit. The sheriff that issued it to me said as long as the Santa Anas dont kick up again we should be all right. VOE and CPP residents only! I am going to go to work tomorrow and am sure they will let me back up. My neighbors who left on Monday were let back up today. {NOTE: REITERATE: VOE and CPP residents only!} 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: VOE - via email - thank you      
Suspicious vehicle in VOE. A jeep type RENEGADE CA Plates: 5HR_955 'flew' by me on Lilac Lane turned N on Tetley. Stopped at Waters and sped back up Tetley around Davidson and back N on Tetley. Have never seen this vehicle in our secluded area. Tatooed gray bearded man and woman with long straight blond hair. Notified sheriff. Looters were arrested last night at this corner. 
Thu 10/25 Source: eyewitness  From: Lake Arrowhead via email - thank      
Currently the fire is inside FLSR and at this point the fire is in Pepperdine and on the edge of Circle X - Big Horn (near the old corral). The fire in camp is a ground fire. Two fire engines and crews are in the camp. The weather is improving and calm at this time. There is no confirmation that we have lost any structures in camp. Currently the fire is inside FLSR and at this point the fire is in Pepperdine and on the edge of Circle X - Big Horn (near the old corral). The fire in camp is a ground fire. Two fire engines and crews are in the camp. The weather is improving and calm at this time. There is no confirmation that we have lost any structures in camp. Our Scout reservation is currently at risk to loss due to the fire again. Currently we have lost 2 structures at Camp Pepperdine. http://www.flsr.org/  
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
722 and 722D prepping for a burn in Z in Grass Valley 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
Helicopters 510 554 534 63A - in Division I; all others are in; some of those are dumping retardant and others are coming out of Lake Arrowhead 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
(air attack) we have a forest crew in way down below Mount R 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
red pickup went past us at Circle View and Wilderness - had a shovel and container of gas - forest truck following - law enforcement en route 
Thu 10/25 Source: other       
fire map for download http://webpages.charter.net/pollinh/ 
Thu 10/25 Source: eyewitness  From: phone to ROTW - thank you      
Running Springs 

Old City Creek:  
Corner 330 uphill side gone
30962 may be gone
30973 ok
30001 ok
31307 damage but ok
31321 ok
31046 dis
31051 ok
31022 ok but the house across the street destroyed

Rim of the World Drive:
2378 and 2379 damage but ok (standing)
2368 destroyed
2470, 2598, 2569, 2578 OK
2569 damage but ok (standing)

Easy:
31423, 31404 ok
5 others gone (no details)

Valley Ridge between Wilderness and Circle View:
31442 ok
All others destroyed

The “T” on Onacrest and Circle View ok
31530 Circle View Destroyed
ROTW extends condolences to those that have lost their homes. 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
we've got a spot fire in the center of Camp Helendade (Running Springs - off Wilderness) 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: CDC Press Release      
from Center for Disease Control: Wildfire smoke can cause health problems for anyone, especially those with heart and lung conditions, older adults and children. Listen to the new Wildfire Podcasts to learn more about what you can do to protect yourself and your family.  
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
made contact with the possible suspect at 31340 Allview. 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
(from SCM - scanner report) Going to use some Helo's I guess now on Division Echo (which is the flank closest to the Artic Circle). All fixed wing are currently grounded due to visibility. 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
suspicious circumstances - 31340 Allview (Running Springs) - black Dodge Ramcharger with a seadoo(sp?) attached to a trailer; we questioned the guy a little and he grabbed a shovel and he went walking down the street like he was going to go put out some fires 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
in that area over there by Snow Valley, that's really coming together; they are dropping retardant, so call him off whenever you need to 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: Website      
inciweb Slide fire perimeter map as of 10/25 AM http://www.inciweb.org/incident/maps/full/1005/0/ 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: via email - thank you      
my house (North Bay and Cedarwood) is fine 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: Website      
from SCM - eyewitness: We have ash falling out here in Baldwin Lake now (east of Big Bear Lake). Small ash, but definitely ash. 
Thu 10/25 Source: eyewitness  From: via phone call to ROTW - Thanks      
Eyewitness report less than 1 hour ago - Running Springs: Between on Encina way between Secret and Chicago a minimum of 20 homes destroyed. The corner of Brookings and Whispering Pines all the homes on that corner are ok. Address 31928 Brookings ok. On Whispering Pines: 2413 2420 2415 2411 2409 2405 2401 2426 2438 2450 are all ok. 11 other homes in that stretch that are destroyed. 2413 had a car in the front that is destroyed. 2413 home is ok but the house is destroyed. Minimum of 26 homes destroyed on Deep Creek Drive. No specific addresses. Next stops will be: Heading towards Luring Pines behind the Club and look at Panorama and look at Old City Creek.  
Thu 10/25 Source: eyewitness       
{email, thanks} let residents of Upper Rowco know that all the houses on the streets between Oakleaf (Oakleaf Ct included) and Onacrest -as well as All view are safe. It is confirmed. I stayed behind on Pinehurst. Billy and Nanette also stayed on Oakleaf.  
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: Lake Arrowhead via email - thank      
2:42 PM - The power is back on the east side of the Golf Course. 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
theft report being taken by SO at 33596 Green Valley Lake Road 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: via email - thanks      
If you have pets left in your homes on the hill, go to Orange Show Fairgrounds to the animal control booth. They will go up and either collect the pet, or make sure there is food and water for several days.  
Thu 10/25 Source: eyewitness  From: GVL via phone to ROTW -Thanks      
Eyewitness report from the Pastor of the Calvery Chapel - Green Valley Lake - As you enter town first three home on south side along with Fox Lumber and the real estate office next door all destroyed. Heavy damage on Angeles and Falling Leaf. Estimated half the homes on Holcomb are lost. 
Thu 10/25 Source: eyewitness  From: via phone to ROTW -Thanks      
as of 2 hours ago, area of Panorama Drive RS ok; ROTW office ok; 30449 Live Oak Drive ok. 
Thu 10/25 Source: eyewitness  From: Smiley Park - via email Thanks      
website for smiley park only: http://spccvote.com. map not guaranteed accurate as at least 2 reportedly gone are not marked.  
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
part of the air assault is on hold {Smoke?} 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: Website      
{Unverified info unless marked as confirmed - has some photos - I have listed below reports that I have heard. They have not been verified for accuracy."} http://www.fireupdate.com/2007/2007IEburn.htm 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: Website      
{This is an eyewitness list for Running Springs - however, there is no date indicating when the eyewitness went through the areas:} http://www.fireupdate.com/2007/2007IEburn-story2.htm 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
retardant needed in the Grass Valley Fire area - Div Z - in the northwest corner of the Grass Valley Fire 
Thu 10/25 Source: eyewitness  From: eyewitness report to ROTW      
just north east of the Golf Course and all is quiet; small smoke columns to the north west of the Club in the burn area but no fire fighter activity at this time; drove past the North Shore area and Cedar Glen and the fire as of last night had not reached that area at all  
Thu 10/25 Source: eyewitness  From: eyewitness report to ROTW      
hot spot on Knollview, firefighters are on it; the house between 2016 & 2022 Poplar is destroyed; they are doing mop up at Pali Mtn; Heaps peak had burn on three sides but no buildings lost; Comm towers are fine 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: Lake Arrowhead -via email Thanks      
Video - http://www.youtube.com/clandavies 
Thu 10/25 Source: eyewitness  From: Ferndale RS - via email Thanks      
Eyewitness reported homes on both sides of 30647 Ferndale were burned. 30647 ok. {Note: our condolences to the neighbors of 30647 Ferndale.} 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: CHP CAD      
Re: VOE CPP Passes: 1:16PM PER 101-S3 -ALL PASSES HAVE BEEN HANDED OUT -- NO TIME FRAME FOR OPENING OF CRESTLINE-INFO FOR UNITS  
Thu 10/25 Source: other       
{RS Transcriber: Email from Mr. Smith at Rim Drama to my son: "Obviously, we will not be opening tonight, but I will let you all know ASAP when I am in contact with the school and the district. Hopefully, we will all get home soon, and will be able to actually perform this show you have all worked so hard for.... I have heard from most of the cast and crew and they are all safe, as well."} 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
going to start a firing operation over in Div Y 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: Website - SoCalMountains.com      
All schools in the {Big Bear} valley will be closed tomorrow. Possibly back on Monday the 29th depending on the fires.  
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
we're getting a residential fire alarm for 139 Golf Course 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
they got everybody out of the way (Crab Flats area) (missed balance of that transmission) 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: RHS Drama website      
(Rim High School Drama) http://www.rimdrama.com/ RIM SCHOOL CLOSED THROUGH FRIDAY. Tuesday Update: The Rim District has cancelled school for October 22-26. Check back later for more updates, including updated rehearsal and performance information. There will be NO rehearsals or performances October 22-25. Cast & Crew: I hope you are all safe. And I hope this will be over soon, so that we can get back to our show. And I hope you took your scripts with you! Please contact me by phone or email, and let me know that you are safe. I will update the rehearsal/performance schedule as soon I have information from the school district. joel@rimdrama.com; jsmith@rimdrama.com (RS Transcriber NOTE: Tonight was to be opening night. My heart goes out to the students.)  
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
3535 Green Valley Lake - security check 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: NBC Ch. 4      
Interview with Cal Fire Chief Tom O'Keefe -- two residences burned last night near Lake View Point. Locations too remote for firefighters to reach. The Chief also said that the Slide/Grass Valley Fire is the #1 priority fire in the State at this time and we are getting all the number and type of resources needed to fight the fire. 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
The Cal Fire Chief said the 2 homes were isolated residences at Lakeview Point. The homes were completely inaccessible to FFs. (Chief was on Channel 4) 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: RS Transcriber Note      
Staff at ROTW are in the process of loading photos that have been emailed to us. Please check periodically. http://picasaweb.google.com/RIMOFTHEWORLD 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
(air) looks like the wind has shifted a little bit for you and it's blowing more north now than it was before 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
(air) good black surrounding them; they're right in the middle of the Old Fire's burn (uncertain - possibly in the Crab Flats area) 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
hiking in from the tower, maybe put in some dozer lines in there; yeah sounds good 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
there's quite a bit of indirect (line to be put in) from that communications tower to the fires edge 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
strike team of dozers there below the peak cut it to almost to the fires edge (Keller?) 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
at Crab Flats, it's kinda backing it's way into the Boy Scout Camp 
Thu 10/25 Source: CHP  From: CHP CAD      
11:48AM 101-S3 PASSES ONLY ALLOW RES INTO VOE/CEDAR PINES VIA THE 173/138- PASSES DO NOT GIVE ACCESS THRU HARD CLOSURES-IF THEY NEED TO LEAVE IS IT VIA THE 138/15  
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
(to FS LEO) reference the residents that hadn't evacuated in the Crab Flats area; supposedly off 3N16U; there's a couple of engines in that area awaiting contact 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
get a sheriff's unit out to 565 Forest Shade in Crestline - Round Table Pizza - they have a 459 (burglary) through their window. 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
1084 Brentwood Lake Arrowhead - open door - home is under construction - security check 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner  From: Arrowbear - via email THANKS      
email at 10:41 am Thursday - Just talked to a friend that is working out of station 271 in Arrowbear. He said that no new structures had burned over night but that there were a couple of decks that they had to put out. They are now involved in trying to keep the fire north of Hwy 18 near the area of 13 curves just east of the Green Valley road cut off and the Snow Valley area. 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: Smiley Park - via email THANKS      
http://spccvote.com/ Smiley Park info - From the website: The fire burned 36 homes in Smiley Park The east end of the park is severly burned and not much remains The west end of the park is also badly burned The clubhouse was not damaged Many wires are down in the park, blocking roadways  
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
"911 call from Altdorf in Crestline; on call back no emergency, the dog had the phone." Reply - "smart dog; I'm en route." 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
reports of 8 to 9 people trapped in Crab Flats area; fire in trees crowning off 3N16 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
Scooper is requesting Big Bear Lake be cleared so he can begin making drops. (BB Transcriber personal note: He just flew over my house, what an awesome, encouraging sight!) 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
the fire is getting into that Crab Flats area and is a threat to those structures in there; it's going to come up that drainage area 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner  From: BB Airport frequency      
Super Scooper is over the area scouting out the lake for taking on water for the Slide fire. 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
Confirming helicopters will be scooping out of Big Bear Lake. Confirmed BB airport is open to regular air traffic as well 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: Website - KBHR933.com      
10:30a.m. update http://www.kbhr933.com/bigbearnews.php Officials Now Report 12,466 Burned Acres on Slide and Grass Valley Fires -- Update as of 10:30am Updated information from Incident Command this morning is that 12,466 acres have now burned in the San Bernardino mountains between the Slide and Grass Valley Fires, though these two blazes, both of which started Monday morning, have not merged. As the fire suppression on both fires is under the direction of both a Type I and Type II national incident management team, resources are being shared between the two fires. Of those resources, there are 10 helicopters and four airtankers on scene. With these aircraft in place, infrared flight data has been able to provide updated information on burned acreage. As of this morning, 1,100 acres have burned on the Grass Valley Fire, which the U.S. Forest Service indicates to be northwest of Lake Arrowhead and in the Twin Peaks area. Damage assessment teams were able to enter the area yesterday, reporting no additional structures had burned on Wednesday. There are presently 28 hand crews, 52 engines, six water tenders and a dozer at work on fire suppression and mop up on the Grass Valley Fire, which is at 40% containment. The Slide Fire burned more aggressively on Wednesday, due to continued dry weather with extremely dry fuels, and spotty fire behavior with flames of 3 to 6 feet in height. There is no containment figure yet for the Slide Fire which, per our eyewitness reports, has burned on the north side of Green Valley Lake, and also wrapped around to the community's south side. For the most part, the center portion of the Green Valley Lake area is OK, except for a burned hardware store and a real estate office in the downtown portion. Otherwise, the town itself remains intact, as of our visit to the area Wednesday night. Crews on the Slide Fire include 99 engines, 11 hand crews, 29 water tenders and two dozers. The updated burned acreage tally for the Slide Fire is now at 11,366 acres. There are a total of over 1,500 fire personnel battling these two blazes, and mandatory evacuations remain in place for all communities east of and including Crestline to the Snow Valley Ski Area. Voluntary evacuations are in place for those in Cedar Pines Park, Valley of Enchantment and portions of Highland. Fire officials reiterate that there is no immediate threat to the Big Bear Valley, still, as of this morning. There will be ash and smoke in our area, as the Santa Ana winds have diminished and the inversion layer is trapping the smoke down into the basin of the Big Bear Valley. Bear Valley Unified Schools remain closed today, due to the air quality. Students who attend Rainbow Kids Club are welcome at the Big Bear Elementary School site, which will be the only Rainbow Kids Club open today.  
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner  From: Cove Circle - via email Thanks      
I just heard from my neighbors (sisters that live on cove also) One's ex husband used to be a local sheriff and he called his friends still working on the mountain and they drove by last night. As of last night they said the area is fine our houses are still there (around address of 32179 cove circle). 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner  From: via email - thank you      
CHP have setup roadblocks throughout Crestline. They are cracking down on people moving about within the mandatory evacuation areas. There are apparently roadblocks at the 7-11, Knapps Cutoff at Manzanita, Knapps Cutoff at Lake Drive, Old Mill Road, and Crest Forest Drive at Cedar Pines Park. There could be more that I am not aware of. Residents who live in VOE and CPP can obtain a red pass that will allow them to drive on and off the mountain by way of Hwy 138 only. Reverse 911 calls went out last night advising them of the program. 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
air to ground frequency is 166.9625 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
the flare ups on Encina back here near Deep Creek (RS) are a bunch of gas mains 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: via email - thank you      
Red Cross has a number to call for financial aid. 1(800) 733-2767 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
Medical aid call on Edgecliff towards the end before it dead ends; possible asthma attack 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
Grass Fire's not doing much (regarding smoke impeding visibility) 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
clear here on the heel side of the fire 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
air discussion - main objective is to keep it from slopping over that ridge there and keep it off the 18; if it gets down in there it's going to be a mess 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: via email - thank you      
GVL update - ...spoke with the fire captain who made a run through Green Valley Lake today. He told them their homes (On Juniper) were fine, as were most homes on Juniper, with the exception of the 5 that were on the cul-de-sac. Those were sadly lost, as I think everyone already knew. There is also a home on some 'point' of the lake that was unfortunately lost. Most homes on Angeles around & up against the ski lift/park are gone, as are the 2 homes next to Fox Lumber. There are also several homes gone near the camp ground. The primary loss was near there & the ski area. If you aren't in either of those 2 areas, you are probably ok. I was told Debbie & John's large old cabin on Falling Leaf was fine, as are the cabins next to them. Also, I had heard their was suspicion that the fire could have been arson, but it was expressed that the original 'Green Fire' was started by a down power line off the Nordic Trak. I don't know if this helps at all, & it's only as accurate as what comes down the 'grapevine'. 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
Super Scooper is asking about the winds at Big Bear Lake.. we have SE wind on the Division E of the Slide Fire; however winds are fairly calm over the lake 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
setting up a mobile retardant base behind the hospital on the moonscape(?) 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: via email -thank you       
Availability in Crestline:  


Goodwins received goods from 
distributor Springfield are open up to curfew. 

7-11 is the only fueling location, is 
receiving fuel deliveries, and is open 
24/7 but as I pointed out previously 
becomes a place of confrontation after 
curfew. 

Round Table Pizza will be opening up 
around lunch time today for both locals 
and safety personel. (Will go have some 
wings there today :)

Stockade is open but yesterday there 
were issues with people being outside 
drinking after curfew according to one 
of the Sheriff Volunteers. Not sure 
about status today. 

Billy Bear's has limited supplies but 
is open.

Lake Gregory Coffee is open.

Paulas Place has been open but again limited supplies.

Johnny's Market and Madelines in VOE 
are also open but again, supplies are limited.
 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
30895 Acorn, security check? 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
We can also use the super scooper (on the Slide fire) - he did a good job on the Grass Valley fire. 
Thu 10/25 Source: other       
{transcriber note: Thanks for the personal update Vicki! Glad you guys are all hanging in there. Anything else we can do, let us know} 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: Website - KBHR933.com      
9a.m. update on Grass Valley & Slide Fires http://www.kbhr933.com/bigbearnews.php Grass Valley Fire Now 40% Contained; BVUSD Schools Closed Due to Smoke -- Update as of 9am Reports from Incident Command at this hour assure us that the Slide and Grass Valley Fires still do not pose an immediate threat to the Big Bear Valley at this time. Both fires are being overseen by a Type I and a Type II national incident management team, allowing the greatest amount of resources to the San Bernardino mountains. Incident Command remains stationed at Rim of the World High School, though a base camp has been established at Snow Valley Ski Area, where many of the over 1,500 firefighters are camping between long shifts of fire suppression. Updated tallies on the Lake Arrowhead area Grass Valley Fire, which is now 40% contained, is that 1,100 acres have burned. As of last night, officials report that no additional structures had burned yesterday, leaving the burned home count at an estimated 100 plus. On the Slide Fire in the Running Springs and Green Valley Lake areas, containment is still at zero. An estimated 200 plus homes have burned and some additional structures were burned on Wednesday, though an updated number on total loss has not yet been available. The Slide Fire has burned 10,800 acres. Official sources confirm for us this morning that the two fires have not merged. John Miller with the U.S. Forest Service tells us, “We don't see a chance of that.” The Slide Fire, however, has come toward the far west end of the Butler #2 Fire which, is a potential benefit in that that vegetation has already burned, which would slow any progress of the Slide Fire toward the Fawnskin area. This morning, Miller noted, “Flames may be visible from the Big Bear Dam, but we still do no consider the Slide Fire a threat to Big Bear.” Due to poor air quality resulting from smoke on the two fires, all schools within the Bear Valley Unified School District have been canceled for today. The Rainbow Kids Club daycare center is open, however only the site at Big Bear Elementary is open today. All Rainbow Kids Club students are welcome at the Big Bear Elementary site. All San Bernardino Valley College classes at Big Bear High School have been canceled for this evening. Highway 18 through Lucerne Valley, and Highway 38 do remain open. All official agencies tell us that these roads are open to all traffic, and Officer Gary Fernandez with the California Highway Patrol says that there is no checkpoint to come up the mountain.  
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: RS Transcriber      
On a personal note, the ROTW staff are safe. As of 5pm yesteday, the ROTW office in Running Springs and the staff's homes (2 in Running Springs; 1 in Cedarpines Park) were ok. We have been inundated with thousands of emails. We regret that we have not been able to answer all of them. We appreciate your tips and eyewitness reports. And we thank you for your concern. The ROTW staff sends their condolences to those who have lost their homes. 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
Encina west of Deep Creek (RS) - several fires going here  
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
We'll be at 32274(?) Parkland in Running Springs; area check, code 4. 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
TC in front of staging area - road completely blocked {couldn't hear which staging} 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
Reports of a TC in front of the staging area. 
Thu 10/25 Source: other       
BB Transcriber note: Helicopters are just beginning to lift off from Big Bear airport; spotter planes are now being launched from Fox Field. 
Thu 10/25 Source: other       
{transcriber note: Big Bear scanner back up now} 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
Media helicopter pilots discussing the smoke layer: "I'm at 12000 (ft) and there's still a layer of it above me." "Copy, I'm just wondering if we're going to be able to see anything today." 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
Resuesting check of LASO deputies home on Lookout, behind Blondie's, in Arrowbear. 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
30956 Nob Hill, cross of Hwy 18.  
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
Nob Hill - flames in trees on ground at rear of residence. 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
Nob Hill, confirming there are trees on fire and ground fire to the rear of a residence. 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
3059 (poor transmission?) Nob Hill, RS. There's flames on the other side. Notify Fire. 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
Report of active flame in the area of Nob Hill; sending unit to check it out. 
Thu 10/25 Source: other       
{transcriber note to other transcribers: while Big Bear Scanner is down, this scanner is currently working http://bigbearonline.net/} 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
Requesting check on another residence in Arrowbear, on Deep Creek cross of Badger. 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
Requesting security check for another deputies house on North 138 in Crestline; unit is enroute. 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
Any unit in the area of Deep Creek, can you advise if the fire has reached there? I've got a deputy here inquiring about his own home. (Response: Is that Deep Creek drive in RS, or the Deep Creek itself?) Deputy says his home is in Arrowbear, on Sandalwood. Unit is enroute to check. 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: NBC Ch 4      
Per Ch 4, showing active burning in 13 curves between Arrowbear & Snow Valley. Now have about 2,000 FFs on Slide Fire. So far, BB is okay. Trying to get a perimeter built today & hoping wind doesn't shift  
Thu 10/25 Source: other       
(Thanscriber note: There is little to no traffic on the scanner this morning on the two incidents.) 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: CalFire      
Per CDF: Slide fire, 564 firefighters on scene, cost to date, $2 million. Grass fire, 1,010 firefighters on scene, cost to date, $1.5 million. 
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner       
FS unit checking the area of Dart Canyon. 
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: SCGACC      
USFS situation report on Slide fire as of 6 p.m 10/24: Fire size, 10,800 acres, containment not reported. Significant Events: Structure loss. Remarks: Damage assessement teams are finalizing work on the Grass Valley Incident and will begin Slide evaluations 10/24. Observed Fire Behavior: Moderate intensity fire behavior 3-6 foot flame lengths, short up hill runs, group torching and short range spotting. Planned Actions: Continue structure protection and perimeter control at Hwy 18 and Green Valley. Begin damage assessments.  
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: SCGACC      
USFS situation report on Grass Valley fire as of 6 p.m. 10/24: Fire size, 1100 acres, 30% containment. Significant Events: Damage assessment teams entered the fire area today. Large scale evacuations and road closures remain in effect surrounding the fire area. Remarks: The 4 Type 1 Crews listed under critical needs will be used for the construction and holding of line in Divisions Y and Z in steep, difficult terrain. Observed Fire Behavior: Fire behavior has lessened during this operational period due to a decrease in winds combined with increased relative humidity and effective perimter control. Observed fire behavior today has been limited to creeping and backing fire with short uphill runs. Planned Actions: Construct and hold line on Divisions Y and Z on the west side of the fire. Mop up and patrol in Division A on the east flank.  
Thu 10/25 Source: other  From: Inciweb Website      
InciWeb update on Grass Valley fire as of midnight: Current Situation Total Personnel 1,051 Size 1,100 acres Percent Contained 40% Estimated Containment Date 10/28/2007 at hrs. Fuels Involved Timber (grass understory) Fire Behavior Fire behavior has lessened during the day due to a decrease in winds combined with increasing relative humidity and effective perimeter control. Fire behavior limited to creeping and backing fire with short uphill runs. Significant Events Damage assessment teams entered the fire area today. Evacuations remain in effect. Outlook Planned Actions Construct and hold line. Mop up and patrol. Projected Movement With the decrease in winds and increased relative humidity, little perimeter growth is aniticipated. Concern about wind reversal casuing fire to reverse its path. Growth Potential High Terrain Difficulty Extreme Remarks At least 100 structures have been lost and 6000 homes remain threatened. Mandatory Evaucations for all areas from Crestline to Snow Valley remain in effect. Voluntary Evacuations--Cedar Pines Park and Valley of Enchantment. Road Closures--All highways west of Big Bear Dam: 138, 18 and 330. Hwy 18 to 40th St., 330 bottom (Highland) to top. Residents may leave via the highways (except 330) but cannot go back into these areas.  
Thu 10/25 Source: scanner  From: InciWeb      
InciWeb update on Slide fire as of midnight: Current Situation Total Personnel 706 Size 10,800 acres Fuels Involved Timber (grass understory) Fire Behavior Moderate intensity fire behavior with 3-6 foot flame lengths, short uphill runs, group torching and short range spotting. Significant Events Some additional structure loss. Outlook Planned Actions Continue structure protection and perimeter control and highway 18 and Green Valley. Begin damage assessments. Growth Potential Extreme Terrain Difficulty High Containment Target When critical resource needs are met initiation of perimeter control can begin. Remarks Mandatory Evacuations for all areas from Crestline to Snow Valley. Voluntary evacuations for Highland from North of Highland Avenue, east of Hwy 330 and west of Weaver. An estimated 200+ homes have been burned. A total of 10,000 homes threatened for the Grass and Slide fire areas. Road Closures--All highways west of Big Bear Dam: 138, 18 and 330. Hwy 18 to 40th St., 330 bottom (Highland) to top. Resources on Scene-- 94 Engines, 29 water tenders, 11 hand crews and 2 dozers. Resources being shared between Slide and Grass Valley fires.  
Thu 10/25 Source: other       
(BB Transcriber online. Personal note: Big Bear Valley is under a heavy cover of smoke this morning.) 
Thu 10/25 Source: other       
{RS Transcriber off line. May the fire lay down tonight....} 
Wed 10/24 Source: eyewitness  From: via email - THANK YOU       
Update from LAE 10/24:

6PM: Quite the day...
 What started as a ‘short’ tour to 
visit homes of friends and clients with 
pets turned into quite a trip.  I drove 
past every home I knew of up here and 
each was fine with one exception which, 
I am sorry to say, was a complete loss 
and was probably one of the very first 
to be taken.

I believe the mountain to be in great 
shape and in great hands.  As I started 
out this morning I was cornered by a 
Sheriff’s vehicle as I started to drive 
out of the LAE parking lot where I was 
keeping it.  Fortunately I had called 
Sheriff Dispatch to warn of my 
excursion before starting out.

I drove some of North Bay, all of 
Matterhorn, most of Grass Valley, 189 
from the Shell Station up through Twin 
Peaks and past the Sheriff Station for 
a couple blocks.  I drove up Pioneer 
and portions of Grizzly and I went up 
to the end of Pyramid.  I also drove 
189 from the Shell Station down to 
Daley Canyon and down to Blue Jay, from 
there I went to the Village by way of 
Cottage Grove and Rainbow.  I continued 
around to Kuffle Canyon and drove up 
and into the Villas.  Finally back down 
Kuffle and across Shennendoah (sp?) and 
back out to 189, past the mini-
Jensen’s, across the dam, and back to 
LAE. Everything was in pristine 
condition.  No homes in these areas 
were damaged in any way by fire and 
there was no evidence of looting at any 
point.

I also traveled along most of 
Brentwood, Sonoma, and some of the 
smaller streets there.  Many of these 
homes were lost but fortunately not all.

Most homes outside of the burn areas 
had power and residents reported having 
power with minimal outages over the 
past few days.  The areas bordering the 
golf course on both sides have not had 
power for several days.


Looters?
 I just wanted to say that during my 
excursions today I saw no evidence of 
looters.  The streets are tightly 
controlled and 9 vehicles out of 10 are 
official.  Most of the rest were 
passenger cars or pickups and were 
visibly empty of “loot”.

I tended to drive slow along all the 
roads keeping an eye on each house as 
best I could - none of them had open 
doors, broken windows, or looked 
anything other than how they were left 
by their owners.

Also:
I drove from the Shell Station at 5-
Points up past the County facility in 
Twin Peaks and farther toward Crestline 
by about two blocks.  At 2PM, looking 
as hard as I could toward the fire area 
through homes and trees and up streets, 
I could see no damage to any home or 
business.  That whole area was fine and 
I do not believe it has changed since I 
drove through.


As I drove Grass Valley from Peninsula 
to Five Points, I saw no damage to any 
home from these fires on that side of 
the golf course and I do not believe 
that has changed since 2PM.  There is 
no power along that side and up and 
over the ridge above it toward Lake 
Arrowhead so people will have stinky 
refrigerators but more importantly, 
there is no fire damage.
 
Wed 10/24 Source: other  From: via email from SCM - THANK YOU       
I had the fortunate experience to see my home standing intact today after
being told last night, by a very credible source, that there was a strong
possibility that it had burned to the ground. I feel so humbled to have had
the opportunity to see first hand that our life was not in the shambles that
we had thought it was last night, and I believe that I owe it to the
community to share with you as much as I can, in the hope that I can bring
some peace of mind to as many families as I can.

I'm not sure what I was expecting when I first turned onto Live Oak off the
330 earlier today, but it certainly wasn't what I was seeing. Of course
there were a few structures below my line of sight both on the east and west
downslopes of Live Oak that were emitting smoke, and were probably having
some problems, but as I progressed north I couldn't help but to be amazed
that almost every house I could see while driving up Live Oak was intact,
thanks in no small part by the many hard-working firefighters I came across.
I didn't notice a single house damaged by fire despite my worst fears,
especially after hearing the scanners and reading the many comments on
various web sites reporting on the fires in RS.

When I turned east onto Valley Oak, my hopes were raised when I couldn't see
any burned brush nor smoke in the area. Sure enough, I didn't see any signs
of fire enchroachment on any house on Valley Oak. I quickly surveyed the
surrounding area, and from what I saw, it appeared as though both Summit Dr.
and many parts of Allview appeared to have excaped the fire's wrath. I then
returned to Live Oak and proceeded North, and turned left onto Willow drive.
I saw a motorcycle that was standing upright in front of a severly damaged
house. I couldn't see any other structures on Willow that had damage and I
didn't go all the way around the loop to Poplar St. because of a tree that
was across the road.

Driving towards town on the 18, I saw a cluster of homes on the left that I
had previously seen on TV (not sure exactly what street they were on but it
could have been Valley Ridge dr) that were severely damaged. Other than
those houses, it appeared as though almost every structure visable from the
18 was intact including the Village market and The Covey building. I had
expected the Firehouse and Highway Patrol buildings to be gone based on what
I was hearing and reading on the internet, but they appeared to be intact.

I Turned off the 18 on Wagon Wheel Dr. and returned to the 18 on Deep Creek
Dr. Again, from my line of sight, I didn't notice any homes that appeared to
have been burned, but did see lots of smoldering smoke in the downslopes and
there could have been some structures in trouble down there.

Proceeding into town, it looked like everything was intact and I didn't come
across one business structure, during my entire travels, that appeared to
have experienced any fire damage. I made a loop around the 76 gas station
and passed the firehouse, taking Hunsaker Way to Hundsker Dr and then back
to the 330. again, I didn't notice any damaged structures and no smoke.

The most severly damaged area I noticed was Fredalba, which got a lot of
attention on the scanner within the past 24 hours . While I had expected
severe destruction throughout the entire area, I was surprised that the
damage I saw was limited to about half a dozen homes in a clustered area. I
also saw lots of electrical wires across the road and there were lots of
firemen in the area.

I traveled Old City Creek Dr, north of the 330, from the 330 to the 18. I
saw some power poles down and lots of smoking brush. From my viewpoint, I
didn't observe any severely damaged homes. This area was also getting
attention from a lot of fire fighters.

To summarize my observations, I saw an awful lot to be positive about and
the good far outweighed the bad. Don't get me wrong, it's no walk in the
park up there and there's plenty of destruction to go around for everybody
to worry about, and some folks have experienced a real tragedy. But I was
very optimistic that a lot of families are going to be as surprised as I
was, when they finally get to see their property. Of course my comments
above are my personal observations only and not intended to be a statement
of fact about the condition of any particular property or structure
mentioned in this post.

And finally, a word about the firefighters I came across, some who I got to
spend a few minutes with. These guys and girls are real hardliners when it
comes to protecting our properties. They are commited individuals who put in
long hours and endure extreme conditions so that we may enjoy our homes. I
can't say enough about the many firefighters I saw climbing up and down
steep slopes, just to get at a smoldering pile of brush or debris. Some I
talked to came from far away places just to help out.
 
Wed 10/24 Source: eyewitness  From: via email -thank you      
Wind Speed at Crestline Is Zero at 10:55 PM 
Wed 10/24 Source: scanner       
{}saw some flames on Nob Hill up by the water tanks as he was coming down to the 18 
Wed 10/24 Source: other  From: from ROTW Chat Board      
Re: Poplar and Willow: {per fire officials} FIRE CURRENTLY BURNING/HOT SPOTS IN CANYON BELOW AND WEST OF POPLAR/WILLOW LOOP, BUT NO FIREMEN IN THE AREA AT THIS TIME.- FIRE IS LAYING DOWN AT NIGHT AS TYPICAL DUE TO LOWER WINDS.- LOST WATER PUMPING STATION AT VERY WEST END OF WILLOW AND POPLAR- 2 HOUSES CONFIRMED BURNED ON WILLOW: 2072, 2082. 1900†1900'S ON WILLOW ALL APPEAR OK.- ON POPLAR: 2018 POPLAR BURNED. (IS THIS MIKE SCULLIN'S HOUSE? MIKE STATED EARLIER THAT HE PERSONALLY SAW HIS HOUSE BURNING.)-  
Wed 10/24 Source: eyewitness        
from fire officials - Running Springs status:


1972 Poplar ok as of 5pm this evening
65 Park ok
30449 Live Oak ok
30854 Live Oak unknown (sorry)
Panorama Drive from the 18 to Sunset ok
Village Market ok
CHP Office ok

From what he told me all of luring 
pines upper and lower is ok through 
town. the area of wilderness and over 
18 on rim of the world dr and easy has 
burned

31621 Hilltop ok
31615 Pleasant ok

Most of Upper Rowco is ok (no specifics)
Nob Hill lost 4 in the upper part (no specifics)





 More info from another post in the chat:

They said this was of 
5:00 PM this evening they knew the following. 

Village Market - Okay 
Glen Oak Dr - Okay 
Mountain Oak - Okay 
All View - Okay 
Spring Oak Dr - Okay 
Wild Oak Dr - Okay 
Nob Hill Dr - Okay (NOTE: According to FFs 4 lost on top of Nob Hill)
Valley Ridge was hit from 31393 ---- 31340 
Wagon Wheel Dr - some where lost 
Fern Dr. - Okay 
Nordic Dr - Okay 
Summit - Okay 
Running Springs Village - Okay 
Deep Creek Dr - was hit 
Encina Way - hit hard 
Chicago Dr - Close to Deep Creek was hit 
Whispering Pines Dr - was hit (they didn't say how much) 
Inspiration Dr to Sunset was okay (didn't say anything about the west 
side of Sunset) 
Panoramo Dr from Hwy 18 to Sunset was okay (didn't say anthing about 
the west side of Sunset) 
Wilderness  from 2151 all the way to the end was fine 


 
Wed 10/24 Source: eyewitness  From: via email - thank you!      
Arrowhead Villas Is intact and not threatened (per a resident who stayed) 
Wed 10/24 Source: other  From: 209 info both fires      
Evacuations & Road Closures: Mandatory Evacuations remain in effect for all communities west of Big Bear Lake and east of Crestline (including Crestline) Voluntary Evacuations also remain in effect for Cedar Pines Park, and Valley of Enchantment. (Slide Fire – Voluntary Evacuation: N. Highland from East Highland to Weaver Street.) All evacuations and road closures are for public and firefighter safety, and are being evaluated by fire managers on a daily basis. All roadways leading into the San Bernardino Mountains are closed to up-bound, non-emergency traffic, including Highway 18 west of Big Bear Dam, Hwy 330, Hwy 138 at Hwy 173 and Hwy 18 at Waterman Ave. Hwy 38 and the backside of Hwy 18 from Lucerne Valley is still open. Evacuation Centers: National Orange Show Fair Grounds in the City of San Bernardino (enter through Gate 9) and Victorville Fair Grounds. Animal Evacuations: San Bernardino County Humane Society in the City of San Bernardino. Livestock are being accepted at the Rodeo Grounds at Glen Helen Regional Park in Devore. Forest Closures are in effect with limited open access. Agencies Involved: United States Forest Service, San Bernardino County Fire and Sheriff Departments, CAL FIRE, CA CHP, CalTrans, CA-OES, Running Springs FD and other local and federal government agencies.  
Wed 10/24 Source: other  From: 209 Update Slide Fire      
Note: previous Inciweb reports contained errors from the Inciweb website. Below is the corrected information as of 9:00 
Slide Fire 
Location:  Green Valley Lake, near Running Springs 
Acres Burned: 10,800 
Containment: 0 %     
Direction of Fire: Southwest 
Fire Started: 10/22/07 (Mon) 8:02 AM 
Cause: Under Investigation  
Structures Threatened:       10,000 
Structures Destroyed: ** Est. 200+ 
Resources: Hand Crews: 11 Engines: 94   
  Helicopters:   0 *(shared) Water Tenders: 29   
  Air Tankers:  0 *(shared) Dozers: 2   
Total personnel assigned to Slide fire:      706
Current Fire Situation, Slide Fire: Moderate intensity fire behavior with 3-6 foot flame lengths, short uphill runs, group torching and short range spotting. Additional structures were lost on Wednesday, with structure protection continuing along Highway 18 and Green Valley. Containment efforts slow due to rough terrain and heavy vegetation. Damage assessment teams are starting work in the area to provide details on structures destroyed. Acres burned and structures threatened have increased due to better information from yesterday’s infrared flight data. *Resources are being shared between both fires. **Structures destroyed are still being verified as soon as it is safe to enter the burned areas.  
Wed 10/24 Source: other  From: 209 Update Grass Valley       
Grass Valley Fire Location:  Lake Arrowhead and Twin Peaks area   
Acres Burned: 1,100 
Containment: 40 %     
Direction of Fire: Southwest 
Fire Started: 10/22/07 (Mon) 5:08 AM 
Cause: Under Investigation 
Structures Threatened:            6,000  
Structures Destroyed: ** Est. 100+  
Resources: Hand Crews: 28 Engines:  52   
  Helicopters: 10 *both fires Water Tenders: 6   
  Air Tankers:  4 *both fires Dozers: 1   
Total personnel assigned to Grass Valley fire: 818
Current Fire Situation, Grass Valley Fire: Decreased winds and increased humidities have caused the fire to creep and backup with short uphill runs, producing more smoke. An inversion layer kept the smoke near the ground. Damage assessment teams were able to enter the area today, reporting no additional structures burned. Large scale evacuations and road closures remain in effect surrounding the fire area. **Structures destroyed are still being verified as soon as it is safe to enter the burned areas. 
Wed 10/24 Source: scanner       
We're going to do a fire watch over here on a walking stage. Whispering Pines, Springs(?), Encina, Edison, and Brookings. 
Wed 10/24 Source: scanner       
"we had a gargantuan snag come down over that area" (Encina/Whispering Pines area) 
Wed 10/24 Source: scanner       
have you been on Encina at Whispering Pines yet? Not yet. Be advised the road is impassible due to downed lines. Multiple homes that have burned down in here; we're going to have to back out off Encina back to Whispering Pines. Gas meters also going at these burned out places.  
Wed 10/24 Source: other  From: via email - thank you      
Eyewitness says fire was in unburned portion of Boy Scout Camp. It was quickly put out by local firefighters. Cedar Glen and Hook Creek are safe at this time. 
Wed 10/24 Source: scanner       
that fire up there in the middle sounds like a gas line (Note: unknown location - sounded like the FFs that went up Wagon Wheel to the right -but uncertain if that is correct) 
Wed 10/24 Source: scanner       
We'll make our way down Wagon Wheel and make that first right to the center there will be ours 
Wed 10/24 Source: other  From: Website      
Inciweb update 8:45pm - Size 1,000 acres Percent Contained 30% Fuels Involved Timber (grass understory) Planned Actions Crews will work on accurate perimeter mapping,improving line, and assess damage to structures. Projected Movement With winds decreasing expect little movement, still concern regarding the current wind shift and reversal of the fire. Growth Potential Extreme  
Wed 10/24 Source: scanner       
we had a county officer give us a pretty good easy to read map if you guys want one 
Wed 10/24 Source: scanner       
We've taking Whispering Pines all the way to where it was safe because of power lines down; we're going to hang out here on Whispering Pines 
Wed 10/24 Source: scanner       
100 yards south of this last house on Hunsaker; if we get a wind shift this could be a problem here at the end of Hunsaker; also there are several tree burning 1/2 mile due west appears off Deep Creek 
Wed 10/24 Source: scanner       
I'm going to send another unit down Palo Alto; make a right on Palo Alto; another go down Hunsaker 
Wed 10/24 Source: other  From: via email - Thank you      
We'd like to share a recent story about two unknown heroes in the small community of Green Valley Lake. Marvin Neville is a retired fire chief in GVL and has been our neighbor since we purchased a home next door nearly 20 years ago. Yesterday (Monday, 10/22/07), he told us that he and his son, Robert, had decided to stay, even though a mandatory evacuation had been called for in the area. Marvin's wife, as well as Robert's wife and young child had evacuated. There was no electricity and the sky was thick with smoke, and although four or five fire engines were on the scene and the crew were trying to extinguish the raging fire on Monday, they gave up around 10:00 p.m. as it was deemed too dangerous to remain. However, Marvin and Robert kept vigil, watching as the flames came closer and closer to their home that sits at the edge of the national forest at the top of Angeles Drive. They placed sprinklers around the area and hooked a fire hose up to the fire hydrant nearby on the road. Soon the fire was at the end of the road and they, all alone on the top of the mountain, in the middle of the night, fought the hot flames with their single hose, knocking back the flames. They kept the flames at bay from their home, and also from our garage and home located next door. They did not sleep all night and thought they had also protected the beautiful log home across the road, when they noticed that the heat had ignited something inside and that home was burning from the inside. At this time, they were also trying to protect two other homes on the road within the length of the hose, but could see that it was a lost cause. They managed to save their home, as well as ours, but, our dear neighbors all lost their homes. Our phone rang at 6:30 a.m. this morning, and we expected to hear that our home was lost, only to hear the incredible story of how Marvin and Robert struggled together and saved the two homes. We cried from relief, but also out of sadness for our neighbors and all the other people who have experienced this sad loss. Although the fire danger is still great and we do not recommend that anyone stay to fight the fires, we wanted others to know about these brave people who risked their lives in an attempt to protect their neighbors' homes. Even if we lose our home within the next few days, we remain grateful to Marvin and Bobby. From your thankful neighbors, Diana and Vance. 
Wed 10/24 Source: scanner       
9252 crews are working the indirect line at Div Y 
Wed 10/24 Source: scanner       
First Mountain Bank in Running Springs - unit needed to assist workers 
Wed 10/24 Source: scanner       
we just went up to the towers above Running Springs School Rd (unable to hear the rest - heard something about log decks) 
Wed 10/24 Source: scanner       
We're at 26695 Modoc, someone asked for a security check. We have an update. 
Wed 10/24 Source: other       
(note - scanner traffic has been minimal - or very low volume, unreadable - they are having briefings right now) 
Wed 10/24 Source: other  From: via email - thank you      
Thanks to Channel 2 news, we found out that all houses on Briar Lane in Green Valley Lake are all safe, as of Wednesday the 24th at 2:30. Also {}house on the corner of Dahlia and Juniper was also ok. "Roger's" house on Maple is ok at this time as well.  
Wed 10/24 Source: scanner       
26695 Modoc - Grass Valley burn area; security check; let me know what you find 
Wed 10/24 Source: other  From: Phone Interview USFS PIO Tom Wad      
In a telephone interview with USFS PIO Tom Wadley, the Slide Fire is: 
10.8K acres
16% containment
200 homes lost
3 out buildings
10K homes still threatened
Moderate fire activity
Note: Grass Valley Info coming shortly 
Wed 10/24 Source: other  From: via email -thank you      
Bear Valley Unified School District website indicates that all Bear Valley schools are closed tomorrow (Thursday) due to air quality in the valley. 
Wed 10/24 Source: other  From: via email - thank you      
**CORRECTED at 6:55 pm** Smiley Park, Running Springs Donna Newlin will be at the WalMart parking lot next to the Chevron station with structure info at 8pm. Willow/Poplar/Live Oak, Running Springs Mike Shaw will be at the WalMart parking lot next to the Chevron station with structure info at 8pm. **Although the email came from ESRI informing RIMOFTHEWORLD.net of the meeting times, Donna and Mike are not representing ESRI. They are with RIM of the World Search & Rescue.** 
Wed 10/24 Source: eyewitness       
roving reporter Dave@ROTW.net has viewed active air assault on the south side of Keller Peak from his vantage point in Highland. 
Wed 10/24 Source: scanner       
we looked down the Hook Creek area and it looks like the fire has backed down in there; is there anybody in there? Affirm, we have people in there. (Cedar Glen) 
Wed 10/24 Source: scanner       
helicopters only have 25 to 30 minutes left to fly before pumpkin time 
Wed 10/24 Source: scanner       
According to Ch7, super tanker from Canada is on scene 
Wed 10/24 Source: scanner       
there's a house here on Panorama Road; we're at 43 and there's power lines down; lines are cold; right around there there's a widow maker - a tree burning out from its base 
Wed 10/24 Source: scanner       
at that 5 point it looks like a gas fire in there; also a tree, a widow maker, has burned out in there (Panorama Road in Smiley Park area - Running Springs - Transcriber updated 5:12pm) 
Wed 10/24 Source: eyewitness       
Direct eye witness: green valley lake road major stand took place today to save the calvary chapel camp and camp cedar crest. Both camps have been saved thanks to the work of firefighters. Estimated 12 engines and two dozers responded and were able to save both camps. 
Wed 10/24 Source: scanner       
is CHP going to utilize your yard (County Roads?); Negative; they decided not to do that. 
Wed 10/24 Source: scanner       
Confirm location you want us - we're getting ready to turn down Winding Way, should be able to hit a spot right at 5 point, hang a right on Park Drive and we'll give you a location in there 
Wed 10/24 Source: scanner       
shoot across Park Drive and you'll see a couple of spots 
Wed 10/24 Source: scanner       
out Running Springs School Rd, Hummingbird Way, fire approaching, not sure what resources are there; I was down on 330 and could see it going up 

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